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Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« on: June 30, 2009, 03:58:45 PM »
Any quick and easy tips for Abel?

I choosed the Abel by mistake yesterday. Hated choosing Abel by mistake. Choosing ryu wouldnt be so bad. I nearly beat a "run away Sagat" with Abel so funny.

The only things I know to do with Abel is.

Cross over > Tornado.
Empty Cross over > Tornado
Roll > Tornado
Ultra fireballs
Jump MK > 2HP > Ultra

Any worthwhile basic combo and stuff? Lazy to research on him. Just wanna put on a fight if I choose him by mistake :(
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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 04:53:56 PM »
LOL. I also chose Abel by mistake before!

he's got some nice poke string, cr.lp, cr.lp, st.mk~f (dash) which he recovers with frame adv. I don't really know the exact string here though. :p

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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 05:04:47 PM »
Haha. An Abel thread.

Roll, tornado. Roll, ex tornado. Wakeup tornado. Wakeup ex tornado. Tornado all day.

Yeah... I'm not really contributing. Lol.

Basic combo is cr.MP qcf LP LP LP.

If you have meter you can FADC the first hit of the rekka and go into cr.HP -> ultra.
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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 05:06:44 PM »
continue from booga's post

just do the same thing over and over again until your bored and do tornado . LOL .

my favourite reset combo on abel

focus attack crumple or cross over -> c.hp -> light roll -> c.hp -> heavy roll -> c.mp -> rekka 1 -> fadc -> c.hp -> ultra .

does 80% damage on full ultra . doesnt work well vs mashers .
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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 10:49:37 PM »
My general gameplan when I use my scrub Abel:

- Zone with qcb+K from the max range from each strength where possible. This is especially important against Zangief, who's his toughest match up EASILY.

- Look for a chance to cross up: On hit, go with c.MP/MK> COD combos. On block either go with c.LKX3> s.LK> f+MK> dash forward > then either repeat or (Ex) Hurricane throw. Repeat will keep the opponent if he tries to jump, Ex Hurricane throw will beat blocks, counter pokes, and I think will also grab opponent's out of uppercuts. Normal Hurricane will beat counter throw attempts.

Alternative to c.LKX3> s.LK> f+MK> dash forward is c.LKx2> c.LP> f+MK. c.LP has less range, but better advantage on block (+3 vs +1)

- Yomi: After a Hurricane or a COD, dash forward one time and cross up again.

Or just dash forward, wait a bit, dash forward again then Hurricane/Ex Hurricane throw on wake up.

- If I land a cross up and got Ultra, I'll save meter and instead of doing COD> FADC> c.HP> Ultra, I'll just do c.HP> Ultra.

- For footsies, use f+MK> Dash> Yomi as a whiff punisher. Not sure what pokes it beats (knowing that is the key to a high level Abel, IMO).

The high level Abels like to f+MK> Dash> s.HP (1 hit)> COD combo, so the potential payoff for learning how to footsie with f+MK is VERY big.

Countering Abel


- These are the two important things ways in which I see Abel play being countered a lot. Maybe a strong Abel player can post here how to counter them...

- Backdash after a blocked f+MK.: Beats all his Yomi follow ups.

- Jump backward or upwards a lot when he's near you.: Sounds like a scrub tactic, but like all scrub tactics, there are skilful ways of applying it. The fact remains that Abel has no real hard counter after people who do a lot of defensive jumping.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2009, 10:52:55 PM by VintageSoul »
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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 01:15:28 AM »
If he knows you're going to do defensive jumping, I think one of his wheel kick (not sure which strength) can kick you out of the air. But he's gotta anticipate the jump though.

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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 01:37:59 AM »
my favourite reset combo on abel

focus attack crumple or cross over -> c.hp -> light roll -> c.hp -> heavy roll -> c.mp -> rekka 1 -> fadc -> c.hp -> ultra .

does 80% damage on full ultra . doesnt work well vs mashers .

My personal favourite has to be this one (not that I've ever done it in a match, but it looks sweet as hell)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ZloKNgOho&#t=3m57s

The key here is starting with c.HP> HK Roll> s.LP (reset)> HK Roll> Mix ups.

I think this should be hard for most mashers to counter since its really confusing... you switch sides twice before the window for a counter even opens.
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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 10:08:36 AM »
Thanks guys. i think with abit of training I can own generic SG Sagats.  :D
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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 10:34:18 PM »
I am using abel and i hate to fight blanka..... any idea how to counter blanka wif abel??

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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 10:49:19 PM »
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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 11:19:15 PM »
oh thnks lol...... so any answers to my question lol????? otherwise i can go emo lol...

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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 11:31:53 PM »
Then you can join Abel and be emo liao...cause I don't play as Abel and can't give you any answer specific to this match up. :p


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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 03:21:09 PM »
I am using abel and i hate to fight blanka..... any idea how to counter blanka wif abel??

Kinda sure you can ultra Blanka after blocking his roll. Maybe you can even do it after getting hit by his roll.
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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2009, 04:18:13 PM »
know that..... but what if the blanka does short rolls..... that will be hard to punish..... and blanka moves have fast recovery haiz...

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Re: Abel tornado roll roll roll~!
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2009, 02:35:03 AM »
thats why u gotta step up your gameplay and punish/react accrodingly
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